The Persuaders – 1973 – Thin Line Between Love and Hate (plus bonus albums)

This Sweet is hell as Classic.

A landmark album one of the greatest harmony soul albums of the early 70s! The title cut is one you’ll know instantly as “Thin Line Between Love & Hate” is one of those soul classics that never gets old and the rest of the album’s equally great, with a sublime mix of rough and sweet that the group was never able to duplicate again. The sound is incredible with arrangements by Richard Poindexter, and backings by the group Young Gifted & Bad, who often use a bit of vibes behind the vocals, which makes for a really cool sound! (Dusty Groove).

This is a @320 vinyl rip of the original Win Or Lose Records LP including covers.

A1 Thin Line Between Love And Hate (3:16)
A2 Let’s Get Down Together (3:48)
A3 Blood Brothers (3:27)
A4 You Musta Put Something In Your Love (2:42)
A5 Thanks For Loving Me (3:50)
B1 Love Gonna Pack Up (And Walk Out) (3:20)
B2 If This Is What You Call Love (I Don’t Want No Part Of It) (3:44)
B3 Mr. Sunshine (3:39)
B4 Thigh Spy (2:45)
B5 Can’t Go No Further And Do No Better (3:35)

Arranged By – Richard Poindexter Arranged By [Strings] – Arif Mardin
Producer – The Poindexter Brothers

Thin Line Between Love And Hate was released on the Atlantic subsidiary Win Or Lose Records. The title track was a huge hit for the group and can still be heard on oldies stations today. The song starts off with a distinctive piano line before the group vocals come in on the chorus. Lead singer Douglas Scott then warns men not to abuse their women’s love before they turn nasty. It’s a classic. The rest of the album is surprisingly good for this New York City group. With the rhythm section called Young, Gifted And Bad how could they go wrong anyway? Blood Brothers is another catchy slow Soul tune. In comparison, You Musta Put Something In Your Love is fast paced and hard driving with a bit of Funk in the mix. Love Gonna Pack Up (And Walk Out) was the follow-up single to Thin Line and was another big hit for the group.

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The Persuaders – 1973 – The Persuaders

The second album by the great vocal group who gave the world “Thin Line Between Love and Hate”. This album’s got the same feel as the first, and most of the tracks are written by bandmember Bobby Poindexter but the vocals are a bit warmer overall not as fragile or broken around the edges, as if the group was emerging with a bit more mature confidence. The whole thing’s still pretty great, though and has a really personal, up-close feel that some of the group’s later work didn’t have(Dusty Groove).

This is a @320 vinyl rip of the original Atco Records LP including covers.

A1 Peace In The Valley Of Love (3:51)
A2 Please Stay (3:40)
A3 If You Feel Like I Do (6:05)
A4 Trying Girls Out (4:07)
A5 Is It Too Heavy For You? (2:44)
B1 Bad Bold And Beautiful Girl (4:10)
B2 What Is The Definition Of Love? (2:47)
B3 Love Goes Good When Things Go Bad (2:41)
B4 I Want To Make It With You (4:35)
B5 You Still Love Me (After All You’ve Been Through) (5:25)

While the Persuaders second LP doesn’t contain any thing as cold-blooded as “Thin Line Between Love And Hate,” or the magnitude of the syncopated “Loves Gonna Pack Up,” it’s a more even affair than their debut. “Peace In The Valley Of Love” gets under your skin, you appreciate it, the more you hear the soothing, floater. “Bad, Bold And Beautiful Girl,” is the complete opposite, it’s boisterous, with a noisy sounding track, and some of the hokiest bass singing since the 50’s. The dreamy “What Is The Definition Of Love,” understated beauty is a quiet storm, Smokey Douglas, shows he can handle the subtle leads, as well as the in your face sagas. “You Still Love Me (After All You’ve Been Through)” packs a New York wallop, the theatrical drama comes complete with a man to woman rap, and as-if-somebody-died backing vocals by the Persuaders. Smokey recites a laundry list of ordeals that he’s put his woman through and sounds surprise when he sings You Still Love Me, You Still Love Me, After All, You’ve Been Through. (Andrew Hamilton, AMG)

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The Persuaders – 1973 – Best Thing Ever Ever Happened To Me

This excellent contribution sent by our friend Raphy from Jamaica who explains :

“There were other hits from this Album that major big in the Caribbean especially Jamaica, for example, “All Strung Out On You.” Up to this date this song is a main staple on radio & in the Dance Halls. There Cover of the Gladys Knight’s Monster Hit “Best Thing That Ever Happened To Me” is probably the most heart felt version to date…Actually, this is the Original version folks, Gladys Knight & The Pips Did the Cover…….Now That’s some revelation!!!

In Summary, this is a Master Blaster of an Album, a great addition to your collection; simply, A MUST HAVE!


Their third album, and a bit more Philly than the first two, but still with some great east coast harmony soul. Recorded at Sigma Sound, with arrangements by Tony (not Thom) Bell, and the cuts “Some Guys Have All The Luck”, “Hold On (Just A Little Bit Longer)”, “All Strung Out On You”, “Stay With Me”, “That’s The Way She Is”, and “We’re Just Trying To Make It”. Phil Hurtt wrote a number of the tracks, too and the album has a nice indie harmony sound (Dusty Groove).

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Now, go buy Persuaders’ cd’s here and a few vinyl copies here.

Listen up the amazing “Thin Line Between Love and Hate”

Enjoy this wonderful group and tell us your opinion about the albums, the pot or anything you like on the comments section. Peace!

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  1. 2timez says:


  2. Superman says:

    Classic lp… thanks!!!!

  3. ace says:

    Man I LOVE this blog.. I’m out in the field these days and don’t have a chance to go digging.. thanks for doing it for me! PROPPPPPPPPPPPPPPS

  4. ace says:

    Another thing: R. Kelly’s “Trapped in the Closet” was a PATHETIC attempt at recreating “A Thin Line Between Love and Hate”… what was he THINKING?

  5. k02 says:

    AMAZING!! classic post Nikos thanks a milion

  6. Raphy says:

    Nikos, I’m in Heaven…..I am in Persuaders Heaven. These Persuaders Albums TOP them All……..I am wondering if the Angels are singing
    “It’s a thin line between Love & Hate” or “Peace in the valley of Love”

    Big UP!@!

  7. Mike says:

    Thank you so much. I had all these albums at one time and over the years I wore them out. And I didn’t even know you could get the first two albums as a double pack. Nice. Really chuffed by these.

  8. jahcisco says:

    Thans for The Persuaders. Much appreciated.

  9. invisiblenigma says:

    Much Thanks For these Posts! The Persuaders were amazing!

  10. Rebecca says:

    One of my all time favorites as well. Take me back to the good ol’ days!

  11. DJC says:

    oh my god, this song is timeless classic! Love from Japan.

  12. manny says:

    thank you sooo much, this is amazing

  13. pegasi says:

    Another fantastic post! “Thin Line…” is such a great song, the rock group The Pretenders covered it. In New York, their cover even crossed over to Black radio. I thought Gladys and the Pips had the definitive version of “Best Thing…”, but after hearing The Persuaders’ version, that’s no longer the case. Still trying to track down two albums by The Dells, “Freedom Means” and “Like It Is, and Like It Was.” Any leads on those two albums?

    Many thanks, again.


  14. robert says:

    Persuaders mega-post! Nice!

  15. gary says:

    Oh god! Is is soul paradise? oh yessssssssssssss!!!!

  16. fooliver says:

    Thx 4 the Persuaders!!! Good work!!!

  17. mark says:

    Thanks for this!It is incredible!

  18. great says:

    Great stuff Thanks for sharing, very nice soul!!!!!

  19. nikos1109 says:

    Pegasi, i will give a link for those Dells albums very soon.

  20. miguel says:

    hey man…can you do me a favor?
    the vinil rip has poor sound quality (22050)..
    can you send the song “We’re Just Trying To make It” with good quality??
    í would be very thankfull!


    i love Latimore’s music. thanks


    thanks for the music.

  23. hooch says:

    Awesome Nikos – Thank you very much man!

  24. Isis says:

    Great post as always nikos. Dope records. Thank you for sharing it with us!

  25. Fakes says:

    Appreciate the great work and generosity nikos.

  26. Keith says:

    I love the Persuaders. They’ve got so many great songs.

  27. Samuel says:

    mmmmm! that’s sweet soul! excellent post again!

  28. XMan says:

    Absolutely Stunning!!!! Thank you.

  29. clark says:

    Thanks a lot! One of my fav soul groups!

  30. JTF says:

    You have persuaded me…

  31. SWEET! I have the first two albums (that’s a first for me i don’t have them) so thanks for that last album Nikos and Raphy……can’t wait to check it out….Peace


  32. DJ Randy says:

    Wonderful singles and albums by the persuaders. Thanx.

  33. Agne says:

    Keep the education man! million thanks!

  34. Vito says:

    As always another dope post. Much appreciated.

  35. pegasi says:

    Mucho thanks for the Dells.

  36. Jaguar says:

    Excellent selection of LP.

    Many thanks once again.

  37. Trakbuv says:

    Many thanks for this – didn’t realise that I didn’t have their second LP. Interesting about ‘Best thing that ever happened’, both versions must have come out very close to one another because I remember hearing Gladys version first. Both are dope though.

    Respect due to Nikos and Raphy.

  38. kizza says:

    Frikkin’ fantastic! This blog always makes my jaw drop! LOVE IT!

  39. raggedy says:

    Thanks a million. I love the Persuaders!

  40. Paul says:

    Thank you – one of my favourite groups

  41. cafecafecafe says:

    Simply terrible. Magnific post. Thank you very much Nikos.

  42. whoknows says:

    thanks for sharing these gems! I’ve had a few persuaders songs here and there…excited to hear the full albums, much thanks!!!!

  43. Chad Young says:

    Much Thanks for these Gems

  44. Anonymous says:

    Excellent bits and pieces on both vocal and instrumental fields that fit perfectly together, something that was the trade mark of the east coast harmony soul groups in the early 70’s. And all these under the great skills of the Poindexter Bros, who produced the majority of their tracks that were mostly originals, later covered by other equal good soul groups. One of the best things that ever happened to us!

  45. Groovy Emmanuel says:

    Ouch, Nikos….. That was me on the above anonymous comment… At last!

  46. rich says:

    many thanx for these persuaders albums

  47. manchette says:

    wow, sweet stuff. only had the second Persuaders up until now. love their style. thanks a mil

  48. 1971 would not have been the same without “Thin Line Between Love And Hate”. Every time I play this song (which I often do) I become 17 again and those sweet days flash by. There best song ever.

  49. phatrapper says:

    Didn’t have the 1973 album, But I do now!! Thanks Nikos!!

  50. WW says:

    Thanks. Great stuff!

  51. young_ says:

    Much props for this one!! I just stumbled upon this site on what I feared would be a wild goose chase! Now if I can only find some Luther Ingram, The Whatnauts
    and Black Ivory and I’ll be set!

  52. liam says:

    Never heard the original of Gladys so have to get this

    Thanks. Plus I’ll try those Dell albums to, thanks

  53. Eddie says:

    Thank you for introducing me to this and the review from the Jamaica was totally spot on – wicked site man you are indeed the Godfather of Soul’s Brethren. Ed

  54. SoulQueen says:

    wow thank you so much, this is the 2nd time in the last week you’ve hooked it up. Im going to put you on my blog.
    much love
    Ali Jordana Maltz aka SoulQueen

  55. Maciko says:

    Thanks for those posts great soul stuff ….

  56. 2freakdudes says:

    Aye ya’ll. Juss wanted 2 say this right here. THIS right HERE, is sum of THE most thugginist crank EVUH! real talk. “Trying Girls” Out has we throwin’ left hooks. boom. let’s go. Thanks forever muhfuc^in’ mo! Love ya’ll!! U cats rock! WHOA, got dudes juiced!!!

  57. Thomas says:

    Thanks again for the albums. Copped two of them. Peace.

  58. Troods says:

    While I don’t buy vinyl anymore, I do continue to support the artists by buying cd’s and often now, downloading mp3’s at Amazon. I need to clear clutter. But thank you so much for bringing me the vinyl Ithought I had lost forever! You’re a gem.

  59. Jazzwolf says:

    Is that SILK a band name or album’s name?

  60. Sherry Holland Wilkes says:

    Just wanted to thank u 4 this site. My uncle Willie B Holland was one of the harmonizers in this great group and my father Jerry Lee Holland played keys. Thanks again 4 giving them props!

  61. uncleken says:

    This is rare soul. I enjoyed this album as a teen! Thanks

  62. Raphy says:

    I made a mistake in my review…”You’re the Best Thing That Ever Happened to Me” was a Jim Weatherly Original… He did it in 1972…..Ray Price made it popular in 1973…Albeit in the country genre. The persuaders did their cover some months before the famed Gladys Knight & The pips…

  63. Joeboy says:

    Can’t wait to give “Best Thing That Ever Happened To Me” a blast,
    opportunity knocks folks 😀

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